In this episode Melis and Cyndi ponder the perception and impact of humans being the apex species, apart from nature. They consider some deep questions about the distinctions between being and having and try and shed some light on why they are so obsessed with being! It's pretty interesting.

Along the way they talk about a lot of books Melis has read and Cyndi attempted and they laugh, at each other, a bit.

The Design Way:
https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/design-way-second-edition


Edward O Wilson
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674016385


Eric Fromm
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25492.The_Art_of_Being
https://www.brainpickings.org/2016/03/23/erich-fromm-the-art-of-living/


Sapiens
https://www.ynharari.com/book/sapiens/

Sand Talk
https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/sand-talk

This Human
https://www.thishuman.com/

Love My way
https://7plus.com.au/love-my-way

Bad Banks 
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/program/bad-banks